I don't agree with well done either. It is incidents like this that make apostates look bitter and like nutcases. Reasoning on a one to one basis and sowing seeds of doubt is the approach I prefer.
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I destroyed @30 jw's today in field service
by JunkYardDog in2 wt zombies came to my door today.
and i opened a can of woop a$$ on them.. i did the whole history of wt false prophecies on them and asked them to show me the gospel of 1914?
they couldn't and i followed them up and down the street proclaiming they were false teachers and couldn't talk their way out of a paper bag with a knowledgeable apostate.
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What the new elders book shows is that the Governing Body has chosen for a [u]hardliner Pharisee approach[/u] rather than mercy. Here is a grand example:
In Ray Franz book “In Search Of Christian Freedom” on page 405, he relates a few examples of letters written to the society by witnesses who felt it was wrong not to offer a disfellowshipped person a ride to the kingdom hall. Examples were given of persons not having a car, nor the money for public transport and having to walk miles to the kingdom halls (in the pouring rain), while others simply drove past them on their way to “Christian” meetings.
The Governing Body, which included Ray at the time approved the WT article of August 1, 1974, pages 460-473, which shows a merciful approach should be taken towards disfellowshipped ones. Here is an excerpt from that article:
[quote] *** w74 8/1 p. 462 pars. 10-11 Divine Mercy Points the Way Back for Erring Ones ***
The parable of the prodigal son provides further insight into Jehovah’s admirable attitude of mercy and considerateness. (Luke 15:11-32) The reaction of the father in the parable upon the return of his wayward son exemplifies in a very appealing way what the heavenly Father, Jehovah, is like. In the parable, the son had left home, gone far off and squandered his time and money in a debauched life, including keeping company with harlots. He came into poverty and hunger and, jolted to his senses, he decided to return to his father. Note, now, what the parable says: “While he was yet a long way off, his father caught sight of him and was moved with pity, and he ran and fell upon his neck and tenderly kissed him.”—Luke 15:20.
11 Thus, when catching sight of his son in the distance, the father did not say: ‘I am not going to move an inch or say one word until that sinner comes right to my feet and formally requests to be accepted back.’ No, but seeing his son heading toward him and, in effect, discerning what was in his son’s mind, the father went to meet him. It was—not before—but after this fatherly expression of pity that the son’s formal asking of forgiveness took place.[/quote]Ray explains how happy he was to inform people that a merciful decision had been taken and offering a ride was allowed as it was the human and Christian way to act.
Now look at the new Flock book (elders manual), page 115:
[quote]5. Disfellowshipped and disassociated ones are generally expected to make their own arrangements for [b]transportation to and from congregation meetings.[/b][/quote]
[u]This statement is not made in the previous Flock book[/u], so the stand is more hardliner and Pharisee than before. This is just one example, I am sure there are many more.
Can you imagine now that you are driving to the meeting and see a disfellowshipped person walking in the pouring rain? You decided to stop and offer a ride, the human and Christian thing to do and in line with the 1974 Watchtower. You arrive at the kingdom hall and are spotted with the disfellowshipped person in your car. You will without doubt be spoken to about this by the elders. Not really the love amongst brothers that would identify true Christians.
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BOE LTR (PDF) Brazen Conduct !!!
by yknot ini apologize to those in the vincinity of my spad's ladies bathroom....... yes!
oh my gaud!
give it to me baby!
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Any news on getting a softcopy of this book?
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were are we really going when we die!
by arimatthewdavies ini tried this one before but my browser was broken.
come let us go up into heaven let us build our thrones their let us become like the most high!
these are satans words they got him and his demons kicked out off heaven!
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When we die, we decompose. End of story. Enjoy what you are sure that you have.
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Can we trust this website? (About the subject in which Jehovah's Witnesses were a NGO)
by possible-san incan we trust this website?.
watchtower as a united nations ngo - critical look at the conspiracy theory.
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.
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Here directly from the United Nations Website:
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Pissing On JWs That Are Geuninely Searching Here
by minimus ini just want to say something about witnesses who come here just to try to rebel rouse as opposed to jws that come here and are "searching" or are "active" members in the organization but are reading info on this site.. there's no reason to "beat down" witnesses just because they still go to meetings and we don't.
i've seen some insulting words against present elders and it's unnecessary and judgmental, in my honest opinion.
some jws like to spar with us on this board and it's a losing effort for them in reality.. who knows when or what will make someone actually leave the tentacles of the organization.
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Active Witnesses looking for a very well moderated board, with quite a number of active witnesses can also look at:
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When you leave property to Watchtower....
by cameo-d inthe statutes of mortmain were two enactments, in 1279 and 1290 by king edward i of england aimed at preserving the kingdom's revenues by preventing land from passing into the possession of the church.
in medieval england, feudal estates generated taxes (in the form of incidents) upon the inheritance or granting of the estate.
if an estate was owned by a religious corporation that never died, attained majority, or became attainted for treason, these taxes were never paid.
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Of course the WTBTS will accept the property of someone who is DFed. Hell they have accepted stock in the tabbacco and military industry left to them by will. They will fight the family for this property if necessary as they have done in the past on many occassions.
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November 2010 Awake argument against evolution: does it make sense?
by behemot inthe november 2010 issue of awake (downloadable here: http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=nbzr) contains an article about a czeck scientist (frantisek vyskocil) who became a jw.. he relates that one of the things that made him rethink his position about evolution was something he was told by an unnamed famous russian scientist and professor in the early 1970s.
the argument runs like this:.
simple bacteria can divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids arranged in chains that might be several hundred long.
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You yourself started as a single cell, which divided into trillions within a nine month period.
Every 20 minutes for 46 million centuries seems enough to me, 93% of the scientific community and 100% of the nobel prize winning scientists.
Also note the Awake article stresses that this exisiting BY CHANCE is impossible, even Dawkins acknowledges this. However, by NATURAL SELECTION, it is a whole different story.
So, this guy in all his wisdom, can be counted in the 7% of believing scientists. Further, not that this guy is NOT A JW, he simply believes the Bible.
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WT December 15, 2010
by Designer Stubble inwt december 15, 2010. snippets from this watchtower are below.
keeping in mind that all articles are written with an agenda, to address problems in the organization or to pave the way for new guidelines, look at what i highlighted.
my conclusions are:.
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WT December 15, 2010
Snippets from this Watchtower are below. Keeping in mind that all articles are written with an agenda, to address problems in the organization or to pave the way for new guidelines, look at what I highlighted. My conclusions are:
1. Most witnesses have lost their zeal for preaching, hours and numbers are tanking
2. Witnesses are not submitting themselves to the elders or Governing Body rulings. This could be viewed as “brazen conduct”
3. People do not like the new songbook and many are using the song in between meetings to take a quick break – not allowed, again “Brazen conduct”!Page 10/11, paragraph 14-17
And before leaving the earthly scene, Jesus indicated that he would appoint “the faithful and discreet slave” to provide spiritual food for his people. Though quick to claim stewardship of God’s Word, have the clergy of Christendom proved to be faithful to the Master’s trust? No. They have been inclined to label what the Bible says as fable or myth (which it ofcourse is).Because of all that has been done—supposedly in the name of the God of the Bible—many sincere people have become disillusioned or have completely lost their faith in God and in the Bible.
As Jehovah’s people, we have been blessed with the knowledge of the truth about God’s purpose for mankind and the earth. Rather than feel frustrated or discouraged because Jehovah’s day seems to be delayed, we should be glad that there is still time for us to be zealous for true worship.
Page 19, Paragraph 14
[quote]Ask yourself: ‘Do I reflect Jesus’ attitude toward people in my ministry? Do I give Jehovah my best even if my health or personal circumstances might limit what I can do?’[/quote]Page 20, paragraph 18-19
And listening to God means willingly submitting oneself to the arrangement he has set in place, the Christian congregation with appointed elders, “gifts in men.” Among those “gifts in men” are the members of the Governing Body, who act in a representative way for the entire Christian congregation. In fact, our attitude toward Christ’s spiritual brothers is a major factor that will determine how we will be judged during the coming great tribulation. Thus, one aspect of the way we gain a blessing is by giving our loyal support to God’s anointed ones.Page 22, paragraph 12
Since music has an honorable place in our worship, we do well to ask ourselves: ‘Do I show proper appreciation for it? Do I do my best to arrive at meetings, assemblies, and conventions in time to join my brothers and sisters in the opening song, and then do I sing out with feeling? Do I encourage my children not to view the song[ between the Theocratic Ministry School and the Service Meeting or the one between the public talk and the Watchtower Study as a sort of intermission, an opportunity for them to leave their seats unnecessarily, perhaps just to stretch their legs?’Page 23, paragraph 16
For that and other reasons, the Governing Body approved the publication of a new songbook entitled Sing to Jehovah. The number of songs in our new book has been reduced to 135. Because there are fewer songs to learn, it should be possible for us to memorize the lyrics